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What a delight! [I am appalled that Substack will not let me format a reply.]

In my world this is how things have been. My expectation is that the Holy Spirit will enable me to keep the Torah without obsessing about it. My understanding is that it is written on my heart by my rebirth and the baptism of the Holy Spirit. My experience is that this has happened in my life. I realize that for you to write as you do, you must have experienced rejection for being Torah-observant—or something like that. You’ll never get that from me. I’m glad to have somehow avoided this issue in my personal life.

I assume that my life might offend some Torah-observant people. I do not worry about these things. Yet as I go through the Torah again I’m not finding anything yet where the Lord has not changed me so that I observe as a normal part of my character. I imagine there are things which I do that would bother you.

But I have no idea what they are.

But your life does not offend me. Your life is between you and the Lord. I’m proud to be part of the Jewish heritage, and pleased with Yeshua’s Jewishness. He’s my Messiah, and He’s wonderful. I’m grateful that I have been grafted in. I’m looking forward to understanding more of your experiences—positive and negative. I certainly have an abundance of bad religious experiences. I’ve received the left foot of fellowship in a large variety Christian groups and denominations.

Looking to end the confusion

"Pauline and Nazarene Views Were Utterly Opposed" I have never been taught this and don’t believe it, personally. I am very troubled if you have experienced this.

"Paul Invented a “New Religion” Detached from Jewish Roots" The notion that Paul birthed a Gentile religion free of Judaism is a grievous distortion. I agree with this as well. And I say this as an Episcopalian Charismatic believer. I was taught that our liturgy for the Eucharist was based directly upon synagogue services of Jesus’ day. As a liturgist, that is how I wrote our services in our non-denominational church.

"Salvation in Christianity Means Abandoning Israel or Torah" Supersessionism—the belief that the church supplanted Israel—has poisoned our understanding. Amen. I am astonished to hear that this is a “common belief”. I have never known anyone who believed this heresy but I would fight it. There were no Jews in our lives, so I’m ignorant of a lot of things.

"The Truth about Our Roots: Unity in Diversity. The early church thrived in its diversity—Nazarenes living Torah-observant lives, Paul preaching grace to the uncircumcised—yet united in their confession of Yeshua." This is how my wife and I lived. As I said, we had no Jews in our lives. In Albuquerque, Russ Resnik had a Messianic congregation. Pat and I were slightly concerned about their legalistic approach. But we saw them as true believers. We were actually not welcome in that group because we were Gentiles. Sadly, we left them alone.

But then we were NOT WELCOME IN ANY GROUP for many reasons

FIRST: my wife had a strong call as a counselor, mentor, and shepherd. I married her because of her clear calling. The Lord told me to support her ministry. I did that to the best of my ability. I was her husband and she was my wife. She led the services at our church, Crown of Thorns, because our sheep demanded it. I was her spiritual head. I helped to enable her ministry, as I said. We believe that the Lord calls who He wants for any ministry He chooses. There is no male or female according to Galatians 3:28.

SECOND: we are unapologetic charismatics. We expected the gifts of 1 Cor 12 to be part of every believer’s daily life. That spiritual warfare is best handled by those who have these gifts. All of this is real and a part of a normal believer's daily life.

THIRD: we believe in the pre-tribulation rapture. It is easy to prove this position Biblically. It applies to the Bride. I believe that it is a matter of faith. If you don’t believe it, you don’t have to go. You can be a tribulation saint as part of the soon-coming Kingdom of Israel with our Messiah on the throne. I’ll be part of His helpmate supporting and helping Him any way I can throughout the millennium. It'll be good to see my wife again.

FOURTH: we believe that the guide for church services is found in 1 Cor 14: 26-33. Church services are supposed to be enabled by the leadership so that all can participate, however the Lord leads. Our church demanded "a more normal church service" and that Pat be our preacher. We found that to be sad and upsetting. But, she was a great preacher.

As you can see I AM AN EQUAL OPPORTUNITY OFFENDER.

So, thank you, Sergio, for your clear article. If I can help in any way, please let me know.

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Sarah's avatar

Great article. I especially appreciated your Timeline. Understanding how the Messianic message of Yahushua became Christianized and estranged from Torah is very important!

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