Well, it is so splendid my dear Father ABBA that you have chosen another faithful vessel of an ambassador of you and your son Christ Jesus and the Holy Spirit to give a critical message about the Mark at this time of this generation and the hour being late. Dear Sergio thank you for doing such a subject and making it understandable when most things out there are complicated with argon not such as this laymen terms. Some of us fail English teaching in school and still struggle these days especially with spiritual scriptural matters.
I have used the term to some when commenting that they knocked it out of the park. For you I say you're the bat catcher that had had his holy bat catcher's glove vigilantly, vigilantly, posture ready on DEFCON 1 readiness and caught the truth words of the Father coming on the spiritual waves of his son's promised helper the Holy Spirit never picked up in that glove the filthy fluff of the enemy's false doctrine and gave the divine word for the sheep to so as stay ready and prepped to make sure we have the righteous worship sitting on the throne of our heart (ABBA). Bless be you and may Father and Christ and the Holy Spirit keep you spiritually sound and others pray for you in support.
Excellent work!! I read every word it was so well done. America is such an empire, and the time may soon come when we will have to choose whether to try and survive on our own, or take the mark in order to buy and sell. My personal belief, which I wholeheartedly believe scripture supports, is that the Church will be raptured before this happens. I know many Christians disagree.
Want my interpretation? WHEN I DIE, hallelujah by and by...I'll fly away. DEATH is swallowed up in victory. Oh death where is thy sting. Oh grave, where is your victory? The last enemy to be abolished is death, and Jesus fulfilled that. So that now...to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.
meaning “snatched away”; aka: “raptured”), or “changed” (Greek: allasso
{al-las’-so} meaning transformed) — this change is from physical/
corruptible/mortal bodies into spiritual/incorruptible/immortal bodies, in
order to meet Messiah in the air always to be with Him.
the false doctrine part has to do with Christ's second coming being “secret”, and that His return occurs prior to the beginning of the great tribulation at the end of this age.
yet, some believers question what they are taught from the mainstream, and are encouraged by God to consider the scriptures about a given subject. so sure, such understanding is not needed for salvation. however, not recognizing the truth about the resurrection & rapture occurring after some time of great tribulation — for everyone — can cause someone to loose their faith once they realize things aren't going the way they've been taught by the so called “experts”.
the Greek word “harpazo” was translated to “caught up” in English...
1Thessalonians 4:
17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be *caught up* together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
so my understanding as found in the study i shared above, is that the “rapture” (being “caught up”) and changed into spirit (being “born again”, into spirit rather than flesh) is the second part of the first resurrection.
so it's not that the event of being “caught up” or “raptured” doesn't exist, it's that the doctrine(s) surrounding what most folks call “rapture” in mainstream Christianity doesn't seem to align with the Bible.
the study i shared covers scriptural evidence which refutes the concept of the first resurrection (& rapture) being pre-(final)tribulation. it reveals the confusion of the “pre-trib” view over the conflation of the words “tribulation” vs. “wrath”.
Good Luck?? Interesting. We don’t believe in luck. Please ask yourself why it bothers you that other people’s eschatology differs from yours. Why do you care?
Well, you obviously are a mind reader and have me figured out! It doesn't bother ME. It bothers THEM. I was literally taken to lunch by a deacon at the church my wife and I were married in 48 years ago and asked not to come back because I was questioning the raputer doctrine. I don't believe in luck either KayAnne. I believe that Father's spirit is what has guided me through life. You know NOTHING about me.
Your glorified corpus will have no choice but to go. “Vengeance” belongs to the LORD. Nothing you could do can compare. The best chance of ‘kicking rears ‘ is to go and come back with HIM to ‘rule with an iron rod’.
Your opinion is noted. Go do some research as to what it really ways where in the book of Jude 1vs14 He returns with 10,000 of His saints and see what you come up with.
the primary reason why fellow brethren challenge the pre-tribulation resurrection (& rapture), is because of concern for all those who embrace this doctrine as the final tribulations begin hitting the fan (so to speak). no, it's not salvational. in fact, no point of doctrine is salvation dependent except for the sacrificial blood & body of Jesus Christ, Yahshua Messiah. of course, the only caveat to that is our part: repentance (of sin, according to our understanding) & forgiveness (of ourselves and others).
that brethren desire to challenge the pre-tribulation doctrine means they have love for fellow brethren — we want all brethren to be prepared for the continued horror that will certain worsen. we want to do our part to help prevent brethren of the pre-trib resurrection (& rapture) from losing their faith when things do not go as expected.
also please consider that we should all always be challenging one another’s understandings of Biblical doctrines, in the spirit of iron sharpening iron, and in love. i've found that in doing so, i have far less chance of becoming stagnant in my spiritual growth.
here is a recent study i put together entitled “First Resurrection” which provides clear scriptural backing for the “mid-trib” perspective, revealing the confusion and conflation of the words “tribulation” and “wrath”.
That Greek word means “arrival.” Thats the Second Coming. The Rapture happens first, and Yeshua doesn’t touch down. He meets us in the clouds. Almost everyone dies during the Tribulation and all Christians who do not take the Mark will be killed. Rev. 3:10 tells us God is not going to let the Church die here.
i'm not sure you saw my post already, but hopefully this can help explain “why we care”...
the primary reason why fellow brethren challenge the pre-tribulation resurrection (& rapture), is because of concern for all those who embrace this doctrine as the final tribulations begin hitting the fan (so to speak). no, it's not salvational. in fact, no point of doctrine is salvation dependent except for the sacrificial blood & body of Jesus Christ, Yahshua Messiah. of course, the only caveat to that is our part: repentance (of sin, according to our understanding) & forgiveness (of ourselves and others).
that brethren desire to challenge the pre-tribulation doctrine means they have love for fellow brethren — we want all brethren to be prepared for the continued horror that will certain worsen. we want to do our part to help prevent brethren of the pre-trib resurrection (& rapture) from losing their faith when things do not go as expected.
also please consider that we should all always be challenging one another’s understandings of Biblical doctrines, in the spirit of iron sharpening iron, and in love. i've found that in doing so, i have far less chance of becoming stagnant in my spiritual growth.
here is a recent study i put together entitled “First Resurrection” which provides clear scriptural backing for the “mid-trib” perspective, revealing the confusion and conflation of the words “tribulation” and “wrath”.
I used to believe in the rapture also, as almost all pastors and wolves are teaching that false doctrine now, and hellywood movies. We are just trying to help others see also...not attacking you or your beliefs. So no one makes shipwreck due to thinking they will escape tribulation. The apostles were "raptured", one by one, when they became martyrs for our Lord. When I die, hallelujah by and by...I'll fly away. We must be always ready to suffer for Christ Jesus, and persevere to the end (of our lives) NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS. The pressure will be great, and those who believed in rapture may lose heart and fall away if not totally prepared. We share in love! I am so grateful I had brethren to pull me out of that deception, and praying for understanding, correcting those verses that were "leavened" purposely to mean different things, to deceive the sheep. And it has fooled millions, maybe more.
please consider that the resurrection (& rapture) is going to occur, the primary contention seems to be *when* it will occur.
here is a recent study i put together entitled “First Resurrection” which provides clear scriptural backing for the “mid-trib” perspective, revealing the confusion and conflation of the words “tribulation” and “wrath”.
Yes — “left behind” has been totally misunderstood. In Noah’s day, being left behind meant you survived under God’s protection; the ones taken were the ones judged.
Funny how it’s been reversed (Don’t tell Kirk Cameron) 😏
I got deceived by those movies, which all went right into the trash where they belong. I hope more do likewise, and realize that they came from HELLywood. I do believe that those left behind is where the eagles gather. (carcases). Thinking of Lot, where the angels couldn't do anything until Lot and his family were safely away.
Yes Joshua I get this a lot. I will never understand why Christians whose eschatology differs care to argue about it.
It’s what I choose to believe. I can cite just as many verses supporting my position. I don’t think this is something God would want us arguing about. Time will tell.
Because Jesus said, "Tell them, whether they will hear or whether they will forbear." Then the decision is up to them, and we've done what Jesus told us to do. I personally go by Joshua 24:15 - As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.
it's just out of concern & love for fellow brethren who might lose faith when things don't go as they were taught. i posted my thoughts on this, but i might not have posted it in a good place for you to see it. regardless, Godbless.
You can choose to believe it because it fits your comfort zone. The thought of being tortured to death for your beliefs would be a determining factor. Father ALWAYS takes His children THROUGH calamity not out of it. Spend a few federal reserve notes and obtain this book. I was at a conference Pastor Poch was at when I picked up my copy. He is right in every aspect and has proof to back it up. https://www.amazon.com/WANT-BEHIND-DEPTH-RAPTURE-Paperback/dp/0971911916
Again, I’ll repeat my question: Why do you care? It’s not a matter of Salvation, we all will go to our rooms in our Father’s House. Why does it bother you?
One answer is: Because if you listen to false teachers, and share any false doctrine, the Bible says the one who listens to them is as guilty as they are, and will receive the same punishments. So, it could be a dangerous salvation issue. And we are supposed to expose false teachers, so they don't take others away in false doctrine. We share in love
my perspective is that the doctrine itself isn't salvation dependent — meaning, believing in a “pre-trib” vs. “mid-trib” first resurrection & rapture can in any way negatively affect one's salvation in Christ.
however, if someone wholeheartedly believes in the “pre-trib” view and that doesn't come to pass they way they have been taught, they could lose faith and potentially turn away from God.
sadly, we believers so often make all sorts of doctrines salvation dependent, when they have no ability to provide salvation whatsoever.
for example, notice how some believers are now condemning Kirk Cameron for questioning the traditional mainstream doctrine of “hell”.
did Jesus teach that everyone must believe that we must all believe in some eternal place of conscious torture or else we are heretics? or did He teach that we are not to condemn one another?
more believers ought to consider doing deeper Biblical study into the 4 words used in the scriptures having 3 very unique meanings, all translated to “hell”.
What do you see that is "bothering" me? You can believe all the false doctrine you desire. I have no issue with that. Unless you try to force it on me at gunpoint, we would get along just fine. What my experience has been is that when I am in a fellowship that is so steeped in Scofield/Darby nonsense, I am asked to leave if I call their belief into question. It has ALWAYS been that way. I've had people literally call me vile names because I believe the rapture to be totally made up BS taking verses totally out of context and acting like its some sort of reality. So KayAnne...be safe, be blessed and don't be surprised when I'm right. For you see KayAnne the Scofield Study Bible popularized the concept of the rapture, which is viewed by many of us as a false doctrine not explicitly supported by the Bible. We will debate that this idea, rooted in the teachings of John Nelson Darby, is a relatively new interpretation that diverges from traditional Christian beliefs. That's why I care. I take issue with false doctrine. It despises me. I wonder why? OH I KNOW!!! Because it FEMINIZES the FAITH of the FATHERS. Too much estrogen is in the church body these days KayAnne and not enough testosterone. Which is WHY MEN HATE GOING TO CHURCH! https://www.amazon.com/Why-Men-Hate-Going-Church/dp/078523215X
i agree with you that more believers ought to welcome challenges to their doctrines. i also find it ridiculous that believers in congregations condemn those simply doing what the Bible instructs us to do — to use scripture for ourselves as reproof for what we teach.
please consider that the resurrection (& rapture) is going to occur, yet that the primary contention seems to be *when* it will occur.
here is a recent study i put together entitled “First Resurrection” which provides clear scriptural backing for the “mid-trib” perspective, revealing the confusion and conflation of the words “tribulation” and “wrath”.
I am never worried! The worst thing that can happen to me is the BEST thing that can happen to me!! No offense taken and my God be with you as you press on in His service. 🙏
A very good website is safeguardyoursoul.com I learned a good deal about deceptions and he warns about many wolves in the pulpits, from Brother Todd. And sound biblical doctrines. Bless you, and we will all be praying for each other, as the family of God. The little flock, sharing in love and faith.
Very well written! I've been sharing this for years and I'm so glad to see your post. We are in Christ and we shall not worry about the mark. We are sealed in the Living God we have his mark we worship only him. Thank you so much and it's so awesome to see someone else explain what this is.
Sergio, I couldn't have said this better myself! You, I believe, are exactly on target with this. I've believed and thought this for years! It's great to read someone else has the same mindset! Thank you for posting this! Everyone is concerned about taking a literal mark on the forehead or hand. Christians say they won't do it. Indeed they wouldn't ever. The Evil one knows they won't. This is about what we set hands to do in the kingdom of God's purposes for us. It's about front of mind awareness, what we think and as a result, do. We are sealed by the Holy Spirit. That's not a number. The dragon wants us to be sealed by his spirit. Not a number. By our thoughts and actions we are pledging allegiance to one or the other by what we think and thus do. This is why it says "faith without works is dead". "You will be known by your fruits". Your thoughts will exemplify your actions. Allegiance to one or the other.
Thank you for this post. It’s always a comfort when God speaks. This past weekend, I was thinking about how much I struggle with the book of Revelation because I don’t understand. And then this morning I open my Substack to find this post which speaks to this book in a clear manner that resonates and strikes me as a sensible interpretation.
God is good.
Also, I am concerned about what is happening in America, and wondering how many white, Christian evangelicals are more loyal to Trump and the republican, MAGA cult than to Christ and the gospel.
Cap, you bring up a really sharp point — and I think it’s much needed. When people ask me what party I align with, I tell them I align with issues — like being pro-life and other biblical principles where Scripture makes it clear where I should stand. I don’t pledge allegiance to any public figure or politician, including pastors.
I’m also concerned, my friend, because we’ve grown comfortable idolizing the minuscule — magnifying the trivial while neglecting the eternal. I truly appreciate you taking the time to read and comment, my friend. I pray you have a blessed week.
That's what is sad...tare Christians who cannot see the wolves. And will accept and worship the one who comes in his own name. Praying they will "wake up" the right way...not the false woke crowd, but come out of deception. T-rump even said...rather slyly done...(Oh, shut up silly woman) "You knew I was a snake before you took me in." But I guess it went right over their heads. There are many antichrists...but only one Savior. Jesus Christ.
Once again I'm drawn to to the Hebraic understanding of Scripture. Rome is certainly a prototype of the many that come behind it. The world will continue to tug away at us no matter how loyal we are to Yeshua. As a matter of fact things will bode worse as time marches on. Let's stay in the trenches with each other as we look forward to being the Bride of Christ someday!
C’mon, now you’re starting to sound a little like Groucho Marx, “who’re you gonna believe, ME or your own eyes?” The execution of Christ is clearly referenced in both the Babylonian and the Jerusalem Talmuds. Purportedly, ‘it wasn’t written down until 300 AD’—but even if that point were conceded, the timing alone should tell you A LOT about the motivation behind same. A related question , if the Rabbinical account of the execution of Isaiah was not a settled narrative written or ‘oral; by 30 AD , then WHERE did Paul get his ‘sawn in half’ info in Hebrews 11 from? it’s certainly not in the Bible.
Don’t take offense at this, but I’m a busy person and this isn’t going anywhere.
You’re treating literary parallels as if they automatically prove historical reporting, and I’m not going to grant that leap. If you ever want to restart with one concrete claim—exact passage, dating, and why the identification is certain—I’ll engage. Otherwise, I’m moving on.
You’re trying to shame me into treating late, polemical Talmud material as ‘clear’ biography. I won’t. The identification is debated and the texts aren’t neutral history.
And the Hebrews point doesn’t help you: Hebrews isn’t Paul, and “sawn in two” is a known Jewish tradition about Isaiah outside the Tanakh—so it proves traditions existed, not that the Talmud is a reliable record of Yeshua.
If you want to discuss evidence, fine. If you want to do name-calling, I’m out.✌️
‘Shaming’ you?! You are SO barking up the wrong tree. Funny how you can pivot to nitty-gritty Hebrews’ disputed authorship in a micro-second. So, WHOEVER wrote Hebrews, where did he get his info from?
Hebrews pulls from well-known Second Temple Jewish tradition about Isaiah (outside the Tanakh). That proves traditions circulated — not that later, polemical Talmudic compilations are neutral biographical evidence about Yeshua. If you want to claim they are, name the exact passage and make the case for dating and identification.
I do. Your question assumes the Babylonian Talmud is a straightforward historical source about Jesus. It isn’t. Those passages are late and polemical, with censorship/redaction history and naming/chronology problems. Some scholars think “Yeshu” refers to Jesus in at least some places; others argue it’s a different figure or a later composite. Either way, it’s not “exact history,” it’s a hostile tradition. So “Hebraic ≠ Talmudic” stands.
Are you asking for history, or are you trying to use a hostile late source as a weapon?
Let’s approach this from a different angle: before the Internet, did the high priest’s taunt of ‘give God the Glory, son’ in Matthew ever sound Vaguely Familiar or Strangely evocative to an episode in Israel’s distant past? And isn’t it strange that the Talmudic account of the execution of Christ (‘YESHUA’) EXACTLY PARALLELS the Achan Incident. Must be a CO-INK-A-DINK, right?
Well done. Any regenerate person--graced to be enthralled by the beauty of Christ, revealed in God's Word, opened-up by the Holy Spirit--will be led to the same general conclusion without the special knowledge of gematria, IMHO... but it's a nice bonus to know that they jibe.
We made our Jesus out to be a blasphemous beast. We made him to teach that anyone who refused to say the magic words was damned eternally regardless of the holiness of your [Jews] lives and sincerity of your prayer. “The dragon stood on the shore of the sea. And I saw a beast rising out of the sea, with ten horns and seven heads, with ten diadems on its horns and blasphemous names on its heads… One of its heads seemed to have a mortal wound, but its mortal wound was healed, and the whole earth marveled as they followed the beast” (Rev 13:1,3).
Our crucified and risen Jesus, whose mortal wound was healed, became a license for hatred, slaughter, slander, and cruelty against you. “A wild beast has devoured him. Without doubt Joseph is torn to pieces” (Gen 37:33 NKJV). The humble loving Jesus who forgave sinners and blessed children was devoured by hostile and hateful preachers and torn to pieces. So far from loving our enemies we delighted in your agony. We eagerly rejoiced about the madness, blindness, and dismay you would face, the hunger and thirst, naked and lacking everything, the signs and decrees against you for all time, proofs of the superiority of our new religion.
“It [the beast] also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads” (Rev 13:16). Our preachers and bishops taught and enforced hostility and persecution, contempt and abuse, against you, the brothers and sisters of our Lord. The mark of hatred was on our hands, our actions, and on our foreheads, our thoughts and intentions. The real Jesus believed that his Torah should be the mark on our hand and forehead: “Tie them (My commands) as symbols on your hands and bind them on your foreheads” (Deut 6:8).
Instead, we preached a beastly imposter who condemned everyone but us, a Jesus who considered all of you white-washed tombs, a brood of vipers, sons of the devil, and sentenced you to eternal misery and damnation. We got so excited about your anguished heart, eyes that pine, the despondent spirit, the terror night and day, and the Lord’s delight in causing you to perish and wiping you out, we did not get to the part about what happens next. Deuteronomy chapter 30 is about your ultimate future, the one you live in now and will continue to live in:
Great insight and I see how it aligns with everything with one exception… The scripture still tells us that without this Mark we cannot ‘buy nor sell’. This edict cannot be enforced without some tangible Mark, which occurs outside of the realm of how we live our lives or what is in written on our hearts….
Great thoughts, seriously, I appreciate the way you’re thinking it through. The only spot where we land differently is the ‘buy or sell’ part. In the first-century world, that didn’t require a physical mark or tech. Economic exclusion already worked through allegiance. If you didn’t align with the emperor’s system, the guilds and marketplaces shut you out.
So Revelation isn’t pointing to a gadget or implant as much as the same ancient idea Scripture keeps using a ‘mark’ as a sign of loyalty. And the economic pressure is simply how that loyalty gets tested.
So yes, there’s enforcement… it just doesn’t have to be a literal object. The heart determines the mark, and the system exposes it. IMO
Sergio I'm so happy that you were sharing this. I've been sharing this for years 20 years. Nobody wants to listen to it they'd rather have the spectacular they'd rather believe all the other side of it that's going around. This is so much truth wrapped up in this it's amazing. And I don't know if you got to see the convention in 2014 of the Copeland's with Palmer in the Pope that's exactly what they were talking about without saying it that they wanted to become fully man. Anyway I'm so glad to see you sharing this this is one of the things I've been working on and people don't like it they don't want to accept it they'd rather believe that there's some chipper something that's going to send them to hell. Thank you for sharing this
Well, it is so splendid my dear Father ABBA that you have chosen another faithful vessel of an ambassador of you and your son Christ Jesus and the Holy Spirit to give a critical message about the Mark at this time of this generation and the hour being late. Dear Sergio thank you for doing such a subject and making it understandable when most things out there are complicated with argon not such as this laymen terms. Some of us fail English teaching in school and still struggle these days especially with spiritual scriptural matters.
I have used the term to some when commenting that they knocked it out of the park. For you I say you're the bat catcher that had had his holy bat catcher's glove vigilantly, vigilantly, posture ready on DEFCON 1 readiness and caught the truth words of the Father coming on the spiritual waves of his son's promised helper the Holy Spirit never picked up in that glove the filthy fluff of the enemy's false doctrine and gave the divine word for the sheep to so as stay ready and prepped to make sure we have the righteous worship sitting on the throne of our heart (ABBA). Bless be you and may Father and Christ and the Holy Spirit keep you spiritually sound and others pray for you in support.
Thank you so much for sharing my friend. We are in this together, a light in the complacent darkness! :)
Excellent work!! I read every word it was so well done. America is such an empire, and the time may soon come when we will have to choose whether to try and survive on our own, or take the mark in order to buy and sell. My personal belief, which I wholeheartedly believe scripture supports, is that the Church will be raptured before this happens. I know many Christians disagree.
Thank you :) I think it is coming quickly. We have become so arrogant in our endeavors. Truth...
Concur.
Good luck with the false doctrine of the rapture. As a matter of fact, can you show me the word in the whole of scripture? https://www.amazon.com/WANT-BEHIND-DEPTH-RAPTURE-Paperback/dp/0971911916
Want my interpretation? WHEN I DIE, hallelujah by and by...I'll fly away. DEATH is swallowed up in victory. Oh death where is thy sting. Oh grave, where is your victory? The last enemy to be abolished is death, and Jesus fulfilled that. So that now...to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.
the word translated to “raptured” is “harpazo”:
“caught up” (Greek: harpazo {har-pad’-zo}
meaning “snatched away”; aka: “raptured”), or “changed” (Greek: allasso
{al-las’-so} meaning transformed) — this change is from physical/
corruptible/mortal bodies into spiritual/incorruptible/immortal bodies, in
order to meet Messiah in the air always to be with Him.
the false doctrine part has to do with Christ's second coming being “secret”, and that His return occurs prior to the beginning of the great tribulation at the end of this age.
Not necessary for salvation so quit quibbling
yet, some believers question what they are taught from the mainstream, and are encouraged by God to consider the scriptures about a given subject. so sure, such understanding is not needed for salvation. however, not recognizing the truth about the resurrection & rapture occurring after some time of great tribulation — for everyone — can cause someone to loose their faith once they realize things aren't going the way they've been taught by the so called “experts”.
Thanks for the explanation. Why isn’t the word rapture in the word if what you are saying is a translation from the Greek?
the Greek word “harpazo” was translated to “caught up” in English...
1Thessalonians 4:
17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be *caught up* together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
so my understanding as found in the study i shared above, is that the “rapture” (being “caught up”) and changed into spirit (being “born again”, into spirit rather than flesh) is the second part of the first resurrection.
so it's not that the event of being “caught up” or “raptured” doesn't exist, it's that the doctrine(s) surrounding what most folks call “rapture” in mainstream Christianity doesn't seem to align with the Bible.
the study i shared covers scriptural evidence which refutes the concept of the first resurrection (& rapture) being pre-(final)tribulation. it reveals the confusion of the “pre-trib” view over the conflation of the words “tribulation” vs. “wrath”.
Good Luck?? Interesting. We don’t believe in luck. Please ask yourself why it bothers you that other people’s eschatology differs from yours. Why do you care?
Well, you obviously are a mind reader and have me figured out! It doesn't bother ME. It bothers THEM. I was literally taken to lunch by a deacon at the church my wife and I were married in 48 years ago and asked not to come back because I was questioning the raputer doctrine. I don't believe in luck either KayAnne. I believe that Father's spirit is what has guided me through life. You know NOTHING about me.
Thank you. I’ll be hanging on to a solid object with my feet up above me screaming LEAVE ME HERE! I want to KICK THEIR REARS, LORD.
Your glorified corpus will have no choice but to go. “Vengeance” belongs to the LORD. Nothing you could do can compare. The best chance of ‘kicking rears ‘ is to go and come back with HIM to ‘rule with an iron rod’.
Your opinion is noted. Go do some research as to what it really ways where in the book of Jude 1vs14 He returns with 10,000 of His saints and see what you come up with.
Your comment puzzles me. What has it to do with mine?
the primary reason why fellow brethren challenge the pre-tribulation resurrection (& rapture), is because of concern for all those who embrace this doctrine as the final tribulations begin hitting the fan (so to speak). no, it's not salvational. in fact, no point of doctrine is salvation dependent except for the sacrificial blood & body of Jesus Christ, Yahshua Messiah. of course, the only caveat to that is our part: repentance (of sin, according to our understanding) & forgiveness (of ourselves and others).
that brethren desire to challenge the pre-tribulation doctrine means they have love for fellow brethren — we want all brethren to be prepared for the continued horror that will certain worsen. we want to do our part to help prevent brethren of the pre-trib resurrection (& rapture) from losing their faith when things do not go as expected.
also please consider that we should all always be challenging one another’s understandings of Biblical doctrines, in the spirit of iron sharpening iron, and in love. i've found that in doing so, i have far less chance of becoming stagnant in my spiritual growth.
here is a recent study i put together entitled “First Resurrection” which provides clear scriptural backing for the “mid-trib” perspective, revealing the confusion and conflation of the words “tribulation” and “wrath”.
First Resurrection (written)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Cbk5AJzyAGbQpOcDMB4aVrtFeUb2jAjY/view
First Resurrection (video)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBPXQO-Ofk8
Godbless you and thank you for sharing your thoughts on all this with others!
🙏🏼😎❤️♾️
That Greek word means “arrival.” Thats the Second Coming. The Rapture happens first, and Yeshua doesn’t touch down. He meets us in the clouds. Almost everyone dies during the Tribulation and all Christians who do not take the Mark will be killed. Rev. 3:10 tells us God is not going to let the Church die here.
i'm not sure you saw my post already, but hopefully this can help explain “why we care”...
the primary reason why fellow brethren challenge the pre-tribulation resurrection (& rapture), is because of concern for all those who embrace this doctrine as the final tribulations begin hitting the fan (so to speak). no, it's not salvational. in fact, no point of doctrine is salvation dependent except for the sacrificial blood & body of Jesus Christ, Yahshua Messiah. of course, the only caveat to that is our part: repentance (of sin, according to our understanding) & forgiveness (of ourselves and others).
that brethren desire to challenge the pre-tribulation doctrine means they have love for fellow brethren — we want all brethren to be prepared for the continued horror that will certain worsen. we want to do our part to help prevent brethren of the pre-trib resurrection (& rapture) from losing their faith when things do not go as expected.
also please consider that we should all always be challenging one another’s understandings of Biblical doctrines, in the spirit of iron sharpening iron, and in love. i've found that in doing so, i have far less chance of becoming stagnant in my spiritual growth.
here is a recent study i put together entitled “First Resurrection” which provides clear scriptural backing for the “mid-trib” perspective, revealing the confusion and conflation of the words “tribulation” and “wrath”.
First Resurrection (written)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Cbk5AJzyAGbQpOcDMB4aVrtFeUb2jAjY/view
First Resurrection (video)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBPXQO-Ofk8
Godbless you and thank you for sharing your thoughts on all this with others!
🙏🏼😎❤️♾️
Why do you care if my eschatology differs from yours? I wasn’t “taught” the Rapture, I read it in The Bible.
I used to believe in the rapture also, as almost all pastors and wolves are teaching that false doctrine now, and hellywood movies. We are just trying to help others see also...not attacking you or your beliefs. So no one makes shipwreck due to thinking they will escape tribulation. The apostles were "raptured", one by one, when they became martyrs for our Lord. When I die, hallelujah by and by...I'll fly away. We must be always ready to suffer for Christ Jesus, and persevere to the end (of our lives) NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS. The pressure will be great, and those who believed in rapture may lose heart and fall away if not totally prepared. We share in love! I am so grateful I had brethren to pull me out of that deception, and praying for understanding, correcting those verses that were "leavened" purposely to mean different things, to deceive the sheep. And it has fooled millions, maybe more.
please consider that the resurrection (& rapture) is going to occur, the primary contention seems to be *when* it will occur.
here is a recent study i put together entitled “First Resurrection” which provides clear scriptural backing for the “mid-trib” perspective, revealing the confusion and conflation of the words “tribulation” and “wrath”.
First Resurrection (written)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Cbk5AJzyAGbQpOcDMB4aVrtFeUb2jAjY/view
First Resurrection (video)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBPXQO-Ofk8
I tried to pull up the video, but it’s saying restricted
You will have to deal with your own fear. I have none.
Yes — “left behind” has been totally misunderstood. In Noah’s day, being left behind meant you survived under God’s protection; the ones taken were the ones judged.
Funny how it’s been reversed (Don’t tell Kirk Cameron) 😏
Many things are reversed in our time !
I got deceived by those movies, which all went right into the trash where they belong. I hope more do likewise, and realize that they came from HELLywood. I do believe that those left behind is where the eagles gather. (carcases). Thinking of Lot, where the angels couldn't do anything until Lot and his family were safely away.
Romans 12:12
Rejoicing in hope; patient in TRIBULATION ; continuing instant in prayer;
excellent scripture reminding us that we all go through some form of tribulation. 8-)
Yes Joshua I get this a lot. I will never understand why Christians whose eschatology differs care to argue about it.
It’s what I choose to believe. I can cite just as many verses supporting my position. I don’t think this is something God would want us arguing about. Time will tell.
Maybe that’s a topic will unpack together someday. 😊
Because Jesus said, "Tell them, whether they will hear or whether they will forbear." Then the decision is up to them, and we've done what Jesus told us to do. I personally go by Joshua 24:15 - As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.
it's just out of concern & love for fellow brethren who might lose faith when things don't go as they were taught. i posted my thoughts on this, but i might not have posted it in a good place for you to see it. regardless, Godbless.
You can choose to believe it because it fits your comfort zone. The thought of being tortured to death for your beliefs would be a determining factor. Father ALWAYS takes His children THROUGH calamity not out of it. Spend a few federal reserve notes and obtain this book. I was at a conference Pastor Poch was at when I picked up my copy. He is right in every aspect and has proof to back it up. https://www.amazon.com/WANT-BEHIND-DEPTH-RAPTURE-Paperback/dp/0971911916
Again, I’ll repeat my question: Why do you care? It’s not a matter of Salvation, we all will go to our rooms in our Father’s House. Why does it bother you?
One answer is: Because if you listen to false teachers, and share any false doctrine, the Bible says the one who listens to them is as guilty as they are, and will receive the same punishments. So, it could be a dangerous salvation issue. And we are supposed to expose false teachers, so they don't take others away in false doctrine. We share in love
my perspective is that the doctrine itself isn't salvation dependent — meaning, believing in a “pre-trib” vs. “mid-trib” first resurrection & rapture can in any way negatively affect one's salvation in Christ.
however, if someone wholeheartedly believes in the “pre-trib” view and that doesn't come to pass they way they have been taught, they could lose faith and potentially turn away from God.
sadly, we believers so often make all sorts of doctrines salvation dependent, when they have no ability to provide salvation whatsoever.
for example, notice how some believers are now condemning Kirk Cameron for questioning the traditional mainstream doctrine of “hell”.
did Jesus teach that everyone must believe that we must all believe in some eternal place of conscious torture or else we are heretics? or did He teach that we are not to condemn one another?
more believers ought to consider doing deeper Biblical study into the 4 words used in the scriptures having 3 very unique meanings, all translated to “hell”.
What do you see that is "bothering" me? You can believe all the false doctrine you desire. I have no issue with that. Unless you try to force it on me at gunpoint, we would get along just fine. What my experience has been is that when I am in a fellowship that is so steeped in Scofield/Darby nonsense, I am asked to leave if I call their belief into question. It has ALWAYS been that way. I've had people literally call me vile names because I believe the rapture to be totally made up BS taking verses totally out of context and acting like its some sort of reality. So KayAnne...be safe, be blessed and don't be surprised when I'm right. For you see KayAnne the Scofield Study Bible popularized the concept of the rapture, which is viewed by many of us as a false doctrine not explicitly supported by the Bible. We will debate that this idea, rooted in the teachings of John Nelson Darby, is a relatively new interpretation that diverges from traditional Christian beliefs. That's why I care. I take issue with false doctrine. It despises me. I wonder why? OH I KNOW!!! Because it FEMINIZES the FAITH of the FATHERS. Too much estrogen is in the church body these days KayAnne and not enough testosterone. Which is WHY MEN HATE GOING TO CHURCH! https://www.amazon.com/Why-Men-Hate-Going-Church/dp/078523215X
i agree with you that more believers ought to welcome challenges to their doctrines. i also find it ridiculous that believers in congregations condemn those simply doing what the Bible instructs us to do — to use scripture for ourselves as reproof for what we teach.
please consider that the resurrection (& rapture) is going to occur, yet that the primary contention seems to be *when* it will occur.
here is a recent study i put together entitled “First Resurrection” which provides clear scriptural backing for the “mid-trib” perspective, revealing the confusion and conflation of the words “tribulation” and “wrath”.
First Resurrection (written)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Cbk5AJzyAGbQpOcDMB4aVrtFeUb2jAjY/view
First Resurrection (video)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBPXQO-Ofk8
I am never worried! The worst thing that can happen to me is the BEST thing that can happen to me!! No offense taken and my God be with you as you press on in His service. 🙏
Amen to that!
A very good website is safeguardyoursoul.com I learned a good deal about deceptions and he warns about many wolves in the pulpits, from Brother Todd. And sound biblical doctrines. Bless you, and we will all be praying for each other, as the family of God. The little flock, sharing in love and faith.
curiously, does brother Todd teach that the “soul” is immortal, or moral?
Very well written! I've been sharing this for years and I'm so glad to see your post. We are in Christ and we shall not worry about the mark. We are sealed in the Living God we have his mark we worship only him. Thank you so much and it's so awesome to see someone else explain what this is.
Amen 🙏 the confidence is very real!
Thank you for reading 😊
Sergio, I couldn't have said this better myself! You, I believe, are exactly on target with this. I've believed and thought this for years! It's great to read someone else has the same mindset! Thank you for posting this! Everyone is concerned about taking a literal mark on the forehead or hand. Christians say they won't do it. Indeed they wouldn't ever. The Evil one knows they won't. This is about what we set hands to do in the kingdom of God's purposes for us. It's about front of mind awareness, what we think and as a result, do. We are sealed by the Holy Spirit. That's not a number. The dragon wants us to be sealed by his spirit. Not a number. By our thoughts and actions we are pledging allegiance to one or the other by what we think and thus do. This is why it says "faith without works is dead". "You will be known by your fruits". Your thoughts will exemplify your actions. Allegiance to one or the other.
Amen Amen Amen!! 🙏
Thank you for this post. It’s always a comfort when God speaks. This past weekend, I was thinking about how much I struggle with the book of Revelation because I don’t understand. And then this morning I open my Substack to find this post which speaks to this book in a clear manner that resonates and strikes me as a sensible interpretation.
God is good.
Also, I am concerned about what is happening in America, and wondering how many white, Christian evangelicals are more loyal to Trump and the republican, MAGA cult than to Christ and the gospel.
This post speaks directly to that.
Thank you.
Cap, you bring up a really sharp point — and I think it’s much needed. When people ask me what party I align with, I tell them I align with issues — like being pro-life and other biblical principles where Scripture makes it clear where I should stand. I don’t pledge allegiance to any public figure or politician, including pastors.
I’m also concerned, my friend, because we’ve grown comfortable idolizing the minuscule — magnifying the trivial while neglecting the eternal. I truly appreciate you taking the time to read and comment, my friend. I pray you have a blessed week.
That's what is sad...tare Christians who cannot see the wolves. And will accept and worship the one who comes in his own name. Praying they will "wake up" the right way...not the false woke crowd, but come out of deception. T-rump even said...rather slyly done...(Oh, shut up silly woman) "You knew I was a snake before you took me in." But I guess it went right over their heads. There are many antichrists...but only one Savior. Jesus Christ.
How is MAGA a "cult"? I find that very offensive. Let's leave the politics out please. It will just cause strife among the brethren.
Once again I'm drawn to to the Hebraic understanding of Scripture. Rome is certainly a prototype of the many that come behind it. The world will continue to tug away at us no matter how loyal we are to Yeshua. As a matter of fact things will bode worse as time marches on. Let's stay in the trenches with each other as we look forward to being the Bride of Christ someday!
Amen! We are building the Ekklesia my friend! Love your perspective!
C’mon, now you’re starting to sound a little like Groucho Marx, “who’re you gonna believe, ME or your own eyes?” The execution of Christ is clearly referenced in both the Babylonian and the Jerusalem Talmuds. Purportedly, ‘it wasn’t written down until 300 AD’—but even if that point were conceded, the timing alone should tell you A LOT about the motivation behind same. A related question , if the Rabbinical account of the execution of Isaiah was not a settled narrative written or ‘oral; by 30 AD , then WHERE did Paul get his ‘sawn in half’ info in Hebrews 11 from? it’s certainly not in the Bible.
Don’t take offense at this, but I’m a busy person and this isn’t going anywhere.
You’re treating literary parallels as if they automatically prove historical reporting, and I’m not going to grant that leap. If you ever want to restart with one concrete claim—exact passage, dating, and why the identification is certain—I’ll engage. Otherwise, I’m moving on.
Offense? None taken.
You’re trying to shame me into treating late, polemical Talmud material as ‘clear’ biography. I won’t. The identification is debated and the texts aren’t neutral history.
And the Hebrews point doesn’t help you: Hebrews isn’t Paul, and “sawn in two” is a known Jewish tradition about Isaiah outside the Tanakh—so it proves traditions existed, not that the Talmud is a reliable record of Yeshua.
If you want to discuss evidence, fine. If you want to do name-calling, I’m out.✌️
‘Shaming’ you?! You are SO barking up the wrong tree. Funny how you can pivot to nitty-gritty Hebrews’ disputed authorship in a micro-second. So, WHOEVER wrote Hebrews, where did he get his info from?
Hebrews pulls from well-known Second Temple Jewish tradition about Isaiah (outside the Tanakh). That proves traditions circulated — not that later, polemical Talmudic compilations are neutral biographical evidence about Yeshua. If you want to claim they are, name the exact passage and make the case for dating and identification.
Hebraic is not equivalent to ‘Talmudic’. While we’re on the subject, according to the Babylonian Talmud, what EXACTLY happened to ‘Yeshua’?
There's no real good answer for that because most scholars don't agree on whether or not the word that they think is Yeshua is actually Yeshua.
You ACTUALLY believe that?
I do. Your question assumes the Babylonian Talmud is a straightforward historical source about Jesus. It isn’t. Those passages are late and polemical, with censorship/redaction history and naming/chronology problems. Some scholars think “Yeshu” refers to Jesus in at least some places; others argue it’s a different figure or a later composite. Either way, it’s not “exact history,” it’s a hostile tradition. So “Hebraic ≠ Talmudic” stands.
Are you asking for history, or are you trying to use a hostile late source as a weapon?
Let’s approach this from a different angle: before the Internet, did the high priest’s taunt of ‘give God the Glory, son’ in Matthew ever sound Vaguely Familiar or Strangely evocative to an episode in Israel’s distant past? And isn’t it strange that the Talmudic account of the execution of Christ (‘YESHUA’) EXACTLY PARALLELS the Achan Incident. Must be a CO-INK-A-DINK, right?
I find this very interesting and enlightening.
You see, I’ve always thought “the mark of the beast” wasn’t a physical mark.
I believed the mark on our forehead was reflected in our beliefs/thoughts and the mark on the hand was known by our fruit.
Thank you.
Very well explained
Exodus 13:16 vs Revelation 13:16
The mark of YHWH vs the mark of the beast
Well done. Any regenerate person--graced to be enthralled by the beauty of Christ, revealed in God's Word, opened-up by the Holy Spirit--will be led to the same general conclusion without the special knowledge of gematria, IMHO... but it's a nice bonus to know that they jibe.
Insightful thank you
Good word!
Amen!Amen!Amen!
So when John says the beast marks foreheads and hands, his readers understand: This is counterfeit Torah. A rival covenant.
So is Calvinism, so was Constantine's church. A few paragraphs from https://maryfholley.substack.com/p/the-beast
We made our Jesus out to be a blasphemous beast. We made him to teach that anyone who refused to say the magic words was damned eternally regardless of the holiness of your [Jews] lives and sincerity of your prayer. “The dragon stood on the shore of the sea. And I saw a beast rising out of the sea, with ten horns and seven heads, with ten diadems on its horns and blasphemous names on its heads… One of its heads seemed to have a mortal wound, but its mortal wound was healed, and the whole earth marveled as they followed the beast” (Rev 13:1,3).
Our crucified and risen Jesus, whose mortal wound was healed, became a license for hatred, slaughter, slander, and cruelty against you. “A wild beast has devoured him. Without doubt Joseph is torn to pieces” (Gen 37:33 NKJV). The humble loving Jesus who forgave sinners and blessed children was devoured by hostile and hateful preachers and torn to pieces. So far from loving our enemies we delighted in your agony. We eagerly rejoiced about the madness, blindness, and dismay you would face, the hunger and thirst, naked and lacking everything, the signs and decrees against you for all time, proofs of the superiority of our new religion.
“It [the beast] also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads” (Rev 13:16). Our preachers and bishops taught and enforced hostility and persecution, contempt and abuse, against you, the brothers and sisters of our Lord. The mark of hatred was on our hands, our actions, and on our foreheads, our thoughts and intentions. The real Jesus believed that his Torah should be the mark on our hand and forehead: “Tie them (My commands) as symbols on your hands and bind them on your foreheads” (Deut 6:8).
Instead, we preached a beastly imposter who condemned everyone but us, a Jesus who considered all of you white-washed tombs, a brood of vipers, sons of the devil, and sentenced you to eternal misery and damnation. We got so excited about your anguished heart, eyes that pine, the despondent spirit, the terror night and day, and the Lord’s delight in causing you to perish and wiping you out, we did not get to the part about what happens next. Deuteronomy chapter 30 is about your ultimate future, the one you live in now and will continue to live in:
Great insight and I see how it aligns with everything with one exception… The scripture still tells us that without this Mark we cannot ‘buy nor sell’. This edict cannot be enforced without some tangible Mark, which occurs outside of the realm of how we live our lives or what is in written on our hearts….
Great thoughts, seriously, I appreciate the way you’re thinking it through. The only spot where we land differently is the ‘buy or sell’ part. In the first-century world, that didn’t require a physical mark or tech. Economic exclusion already worked through allegiance. If you didn’t align with the emperor’s system, the guilds and marketplaces shut you out.
So Revelation isn’t pointing to a gadget or implant as much as the same ancient idea Scripture keeps using a ‘mark’ as a sign of loyalty. And the economic pressure is simply how that loyalty gets tested.
So yes, there’s enforcement… it just doesn’t have to be a literal object. The heart determines the mark, and the system exposes it. IMO
All makes sense. Thank you.
I apologize for not thanking you sooner, Lyn. Appreciate you. Have a great day!
Sergio I'm so happy that you were sharing this. I've been sharing this for years 20 years. Nobody wants to listen to it they'd rather have the spectacular they'd rather believe all the other side of it that's going around. This is so much truth wrapped up in this it's amazing. And I don't know if you got to see the convention in 2014 of the Copeland's with Palmer in the Pope that's exactly what they were talking about without saying it that they wanted to become fully man. Anyway I'm so glad to see you sharing this this is one of the things I've been working on and people don't like it they don't want to accept it they'd rather believe that there's some chipper something that's going to send them to hell. Thank you for sharing this