I haven't been taught any of the more extreme ideas you list. But I often wondered where these ideas about how badly God views humanity, male domination and the attitude towards Eve (and therefore women) came from. These ideas are not my experience of God and I'vnever never been able to match them up.
I've heard others rant about them and 'knew' somehow they were wrong but had no basis to refute them. I do now!
It's sobering also to see your understanding of how these mistaken ideas impact other areas of theology and society.
This is very good Sergio. But I also can tell you that people can understand this even in our English language. And that's the truth for those that just believe in the apple and all that they don't dive deeper into the word and they aren't learning from the Holy Spirit. But I will say this is very good.
Good morning Gracella, you're not wrong, and there are a lot of people that can understand this in the English. What gets me fired up is there's whole denominations that have built their logic around this one story saying that man is totally depraved and evil and wicked.
I guess in my world it creates an endless list of topics to clarify :)
Have a blessed and wonderful day! Thank you for reading Gracella!!
I totally get it Sergio. I understand exactly what you mean that's why I am of no denomination because it seems like there are thousands upon thousands of different beliefs which creates nothing but chaos confusion and lies. But yes there are some people that do understand. But I appreciate all of your texts and your posts. You have a wonderful wonderful holiday yourself
I’m sorry to say this but I sometimes feel your posts treat western Christianity as if we are all ignorant . Born again believers have the Holy Spirit which allows us to understand the true meaning of what God is saying through his word . I hope we are capable of studying the Bible through a Middle Eastern viewpoint.
I don’t think “western Christians are ignorant,” and I’m not questioning whether born-again believers have the Holy Spirit. I believe the Spirit truly does lead God’s people into understanding and obedience.
What I am pushing back on is something a little different: the assumption that the modern Western church system is automatically the biblical standard. In my view, a lot of what we call “Christianity” in the West is a man-built framework laid over the Scriptures — traditions, categories, and shortcuts that can quietly replace the Bible’s covenant language and the worldview of the prophets, Israel, and Messiah.
So when I press hard, it’s not aimed at sincere believers. It’s always aimed at the system and the lenses we have either constructed or inherited. And I include myself in that critique, I had to unlearn a lot too.
And yes: I agree with your last line. We should be capable of reading Scripture through a Middle Eastern, Hebrew, covenant context — not to chase novelty, but to let the text speak in its native voice.
If you ever feel like I’m talking past sincere faith, tell me. I’d rather sharpen my tone than lose the conversation.
Christ is the humility of God embodied in human nature; the Eternal Love humbling itself, clothing itself in the garb of meekness and gentleness, to win and serve and save us.
And for thanks we nailed Him to the cross, and in His agony he looked down at us - denying Him, abandoning Him, and betraying Him - and in the greatest act of love in history, He said, ‘Father, forgive them, they don’t know what they are doing.’
He shed tears for those that shed His blood. Jesus was God and man in one person, tortured to utmost agony, and crying for us while dying for us, so that, far beyond the eve of Adam’s sin, God and man might reconcile and unite together again.
It is for these reasons that no one else holds or has held the place in the heart of the world which Jesus holds. While other gods may have been as devoutly worshiped, no other man has been so devoutly loved.
—Bridged Quotes from Various Authors
God gave Jesus eternally to us and this gift is the greatest Christmas gift ever given. But Christ is ours to take or leave, as we are all innkeepers who get to choose whether there is room enough for Jesus in our hearts. So the question is, will you take the Son?
Who Will Take the Son, By Unknown [Modified]
A wealthy man and his son loved to collect rare works of art. They had nearly everything in their gallery, from Picasso to Raphael. They would often spend hours together admiring and discussing the stunning compositions before them.
One day the son went to war. He was very courageous and died in battle while saving another soldier. The father was notified and grieved deeply for his only child.
About a month later, just before Christmas, there was a knock at the door. A young man stood there with a large gleaming package in his hands. He said, “Sir, you don’t know me, but I am the soldier for whom your son gave his life. He saved many lives that day, and he was carrying me to safety when a bullet struck him in his heart. In his shock his death was painless.
He often spoke about you and your shared love of art.” The young man brought forward his hands. “I know it isn’t much. I’m not a great artist, but I think your son would have wanted you to have this.”
The father unwrapped the parcel. It was a portrait of his son, painted by the young man. The father stared in awe at the way the soldier had captured the personality of his lost future on the canvas. The father was so drawn to his son’s eyes that his own eyes welled with tears. His throat seized. He thanked the young man as best he could and, nearly choking, offered to pay him for the priceless image. “Oh, no, sir. I could never repay what your son did for me. It is a gift.”
The father hung the portrait over his mantle. From then on whenever visitors came to call, he first took them to see the painting of his son before he presented any of the other great works they had collected together. ...And yet, still heartbroken, with only his son’s portrait to console - as well as torture by his absence - overtime the gentlemen’s body failed him as his heart was steadily cut-up from the sum total of gloom, grief is capable of rending.
There was to be a great auction of his paintings. Many influential people gathered, excited over seeing the fruit of the greatest artists and having an opportunity to purchase one for their collection. On the platform sat the painting of the man’s son. The auctioneer pounded the gavel.
“We will start the bidding with this picture of the son. Who will bid for this picture?” There was silence. Then a voice near the back of the room shouted, “We want to see the famous paintings. Skip that one.” But the auctioneer persisted. “Will someone bid for this painting? Who will start the bidding? $100. $200?”
Another voice shouted angrily. “We didn’t come to see this armature portrait! We came to see the Van Goughs, the Rembrandts. Get on with the real bids.” But still the auctioneer continued. “The son! Who will take the son?”
Finally, a voice came from the back of the room. It was the longtime gardener of the man and his son, of whom both he was fond. “I’ll give $10 for the painting.” Being a poor man, it was all he could afford. “We have $10, who will bid $20?”
“Give it to him for $10! Let’s see the masters.” But the auctioneer continued. “$10 is the bid, won’t someone bid $20?” The crowd was becoming angry. They didn’t want the image of the son. They wanted the more “worthy” investments for their collections. The auctioneer pounded the gavel. “Going once, twice, SOLD for $10!”
A man sitting on the second row shouted, “Now let’s get on with the collection!” But the auctioneer laid down his gavel. “I’m sorry, the auction is over.”
“What about the paintings?”
“All apologies. When I was called to conduct the auction, I was told of a secret stipulation in the will. I was not allowed to reveal that stipulation until this time. Only the painting of the son would be auctioned. Whoever bought that painting would inherit the entire estate, including the art collection. That man in the back who took the son gets everything.”
God gave his son over 2000 years ago to die on a cruel cross. Much like the auctioneer, His message today is, “The Son, the Son, who will take the Son?” Because, you see, whoever takes the Son, gets everything...
Thank you for this explanation Sergio.
I haven't been taught any of the more extreme ideas you list. But I often wondered where these ideas about how badly God views humanity, male domination and the attitude towards Eve (and therefore women) came from. These ideas are not my experience of God and I'vnever never been able to match them up.
I've heard others rant about them and 'knew' somehow they were wrong but had no basis to refute them. I do now!
It's sobering also to see your understanding of how these mistaken ideas impact other areas of theology and society.
So thank you for explaining.
Wait till I get to sparing the rod and spoiling the child, Micheal Pearl has explaining to do! 😁
I will keep my eyes peeled for that one! 😁
Well, Sergio...this one will take a couple of days to unpack.
The path of doctrine to denomination to culture...undeniably true
The Edenic covenant was the first...it was broken, there are consequences
Curse vs consequences...an excellent distinction I hope to remember
Moral self-authorization...much more precise than simple pride
The psychological baggage of feeling cursed and the tie-in to our concept of hell...thanks for that rabbit hole
Nicely done. A true bonus is getting a point of view that reflects Hebrew thought, something very few of us have learned.
I love your comments. I always look forward to seeing your perspective!
Yeah bro! 🙌🏻
This is very good Sergio. But I also can tell you that people can understand this even in our English language. And that's the truth for those that just believe in the apple and all that they don't dive deeper into the word and they aren't learning from the Holy Spirit. But I will say this is very good.
Good morning Gracella, you're not wrong, and there are a lot of people that can understand this in the English. What gets me fired up is there's whole denominations that have built their logic around this one story saying that man is totally depraved and evil and wicked.
I guess in my world it creates an endless list of topics to clarify :)
Have a blessed and wonderful day! Thank you for reading Gracella!!
I totally get it Sergio. I understand exactly what you mean that's why I am of no denomination because it seems like there are thousands upon thousands of different beliefs which creates nothing but chaos confusion and lies. But yes there are some people that do understand. But I appreciate all of your texts and your posts. You have a wonderful wonderful holiday yourself
❤️🙏
Thanks, brother. You confirmed a lot of little niggling details that I was not really conscious of.
That makes it worth it!!
I’m sorry to say this but I sometimes feel your posts treat western Christianity as if we are all ignorant . Born again believers have the Holy Spirit which allows us to understand the true meaning of what God is saying through his word . I hope we are capable of studying the Bible through a Middle Eastern viewpoint.
Kathy, I hear you — and I’m glad you said it.
I don’t think “western Christians are ignorant,” and I’m not questioning whether born-again believers have the Holy Spirit. I believe the Spirit truly does lead God’s people into understanding and obedience.
What I am pushing back on is something a little different: the assumption that the modern Western church system is automatically the biblical standard. In my view, a lot of what we call “Christianity” in the West is a man-built framework laid over the Scriptures — traditions, categories, and shortcuts that can quietly replace the Bible’s covenant language and the worldview of the prophets, Israel, and Messiah.
So when I press hard, it’s not aimed at sincere believers. It’s always aimed at the system and the lenses we have either constructed or inherited. And I include myself in that critique, I had to unlearn a lot too.
And yes: I agree with your last line. We should be capable of reading Scripture through a Middle Eastern, Hebrew, covenant context — not to chase novelty, but to let the text speak in its native voice.
If you ever feel like I’m talking past sincere faith, tell me. I’d rather sharpen my tone than lose the conversation.
Thank you Sergio, speaking of redemption:
Christ is the humility of God embodied in human nature; the Eternal Love humbling itself, clothing itself in the garb of meekness and gentleness, to win and serve and save us.
And for thanks we nailed Him to the cross, and in His agony he looked down at us - denying Him, abandoning Him, and betraying Him - and in the greatest act of love in history, He said, ‘Father, forgive them, they don’t know what they are doing.’
He shed tears for those that shed His blood. Jesus was God and man in one person, tortured to utmost agony, and crying for us while dying for us, so that, far beyond the eve of Adam’s sin, God and man might reconcile and unite together again.
It is for these reasons that no one else holds or has held the place in the heart of the world which Jesus holds. While other gods may have been as devoutly worshiped, no other man has been so devoutly loved.
—Bridged Quotes from Various Authors
God gave Jesus eternally to us and this gift is the greatest Christmas gift ever given. But Christ is ours to take or leave, as we are all innkeepers who get to choose whether there is room enough for Jesus in our hearts. So the question is, will you take the Son?
Who Will Take the Son, By Unknown [Modified]
A wealthy man and his son loved to collect rare works of art. They had nearly everything in their gallery, from Picasso to Raphael. They would often spend hours together admiring and discussing the stunning compositions before them.
One day the son went to war. He was very courageous and died in battle while saving another soldier. The father was notified and grieved deeply for his only child.
About a month later, just before Christmas, there was a knock at the door. A young man stood there with a large gleaming package in his hands. He said, “Sir, you don’t know me, but I am the soldier for whom your son gave his life. He saved many lives that day, and he was carrying me to safety when a bullet struck him in his heart. In his shock his death was painless.
He often spoke about you and your shared love of art.” The young man brought forward his hands. “I know it isn’t much. I’m not a great artist, but I think your son would have wanted you to have this.”
The father unwrapped the parcel. It was a portrait of his son, painted by the young man. The father stared in awe at the way the soldier had captured the personality of his lost future on the canvas. The father was so drawn to his son’s eyes that his own eyes welled with tears. His throat seized. He thanked the young man as best he could and, nearly choking, offered to pay him for the priceless image. “Oh, no, sir. I could never repay what your son did for me. It is a gift.”
The father hung the portrait over his mantle. From then on whenever visitors came to call, he first took them to see the painting of his son before he presented any of the other great works they had collected together. ...And yet, still heartbroken, with only his son’s portrait to console - as well as torture by his absence - overtime the gentlemen’s body failed him as his heart was steadily cut-up from the sum total of gloom, grief is capable of rending.
There was to be a great auction of his paintings. Many influential people gathered, excited over seeing the fruit of the greatest artists and having an opportunity to purchase one for their collection. On the platform sat the painting of the man’s son. The auctioneer pounded the gavel.
“We will start the bidding with this picture of the son. Who will bid for this picture?” There was silence. Then a voice near the back of the room shouted, “We want to see the famous paintings. Skip that one.” But the auctioneer persisted. “Will someone bid for this painting? Who will start the bidding? $100. $200?”
Another voice shouted angrily. “We didn’t come to see this armature portrait! We came to see the Van Goughs, the Rembrandts. Get on with the real bids.” But still the auctioneer continued. “The son! Who will take the son?”
Finally, a voice came from the back of the room. It was the longtime gardener of the man and his son, of whom both he was fond. “I’ll give $10 for the painting.” Being a poor man, it was all he could afford. “We have $10, who will bid $20?”
“Give it to him for $10! Let’s see the masters.” But the auctioneer continued. “$10 is the bid, won’t someone bid $20?” The crowd was becoming angry. They didn’t want the image of the son. They wanted the more “worthy” investments for their collections. The auctioneer pounded the gavel. “Going once, twice, SOLD for $10!”
A man sitting on the second row shouted, “Now let’s get on with the collection!” But the auctioneer laid down his gavel. “I’m sorry, the auction is over.”
“What about the paintings?”
“All apologies. When I was called to conduct the auction, I was told of a secret stipulation in the will. I was not allowed to reveal that stipulation until this time. Only the painting of the son would be auctioned. Whoever bought that painting would inherit the entire estate, including the art collection. That man in the back who took the son gets everything.”
God gave his son over 2000 years ago to die on a cruel cross. Much like the auctioneer, His message today is, “The Son, the Son, who will take the Son?” Because, you see, whoever takes the Son, gets everything...
Excerpt from and more like this here: https://tritorch.substack.com/p/the-light-is-gathering-3-unto-earth
Merry Christmas!
ha that was a tear jerker, thank you for sharing! Have a blessed holiday!