I do think I get the "drift" of what is being stated, but the language in which it is communicated is well...... beyond me, and only contributes to somewhat of a confusion. I like simple English words, I am not into this sort of cultural modern day lango.
That was me trying to be funny. When I'm serious, I do think you know when I am. I'm just trying to show I do have a sense of humour. Maybe I should give up.
Oh by the way, I'll take a hug.......chocolates.....I'm picky.....expensive ones......okay!
Who is "Shawn".
Maybe I should just be my serious no kidding around, insecure nurd. What do you think?
I'm sorry if this offended you, I do not think your evil. seriously.....
I appreciate you articulating your position very well here. I still have my disagreements, largely because I think I have a different idea of what Judaism is and where it came from than I think you do. I don't see Passover as "Jewish", and I don't think anyone would have considered it in that light until WELL after the split post-Solomon. I don't think there's anything wrong with lighting candles on Shabbat and I certainly wouldn't attack anyone for it. We've all gotta go where Abba leads us, and I haven't been led in that direction. But you have and I don't see anything wrong with that because you're obviously not one to elevate tradition to the level of instruction.
I owe you an apology for not being crystal clear: Yeshua was a Jewish Jew, fully immersed in Torah, often aligned with the Pharisees’ core. My oversight—sorry. I love your gracious reply, even where we differ. You tie Passover and Judaism to a post-Solomon split. I see it from Exodus 12:14: “a statute forever.” Yeshua owns it in Luke 22:15: “I’ve earnestly desired to eat this Passover.” It’s Israel’s DNA, not a later label—my Messianic faith plants there.
Hebrew Roots as some distinct thing? That’s just man’s categorical logic slicing up what’s whole—Yeshua wasn’t that; He was Jewish through and through.
You’re cool with my Shabbat candles—thanks—and said we follow Abba’s lead. Mine honor Yeshua, not rules. He’s Pharisaic on resurrection (John 11:25, “I am the resurrection”); Paul echoes it (Acts 23:6-8). Torah’s His backbone (Matthew 5:17, “not to abolish but fulfill”), not their hypocrisy (Mark 7:8-9). Hanukkah? He’s there (John 10:22-23). Tzitzit? He wears it (Matthew 9:20). That’s why The Way’s custom-dumping—and some Christian shrugs—stings. Romans 14:5-6 grants liberty: “Be convinced in your own mind.” I am. Why ditch the root (Romans 11:18)?
We’re close, brother. You’re not shrugging—you’re wrestling.
I’d love your take on Judaism’s roots. Ephesians 4:2-3 calls for humility, bearing with each other. My candles, my prayers—they bridge me to Him, not chain me. Can we honor that Olive Tree together?
I don't have much time here because I have to go to work, but I should clarify what I meant with the Passover thing. Yes, it's in Exodus and further, it's a command from Yah...but it existed BEFORE Judaism. It would have been ridiculous for Moses or Aaron to call it Jewish, and probably would have drawn some ire from many people in other tribes. I never tied Passover to a post-Solomon split - only Judaism.
Gotta run. I hope my initial comment makes a bit more sense now.
Somewhere, Paul says, "lighten up, they don't work for you, they serve Yeshua." Or something like that. If you're walking in faith, the Lord will bless you. [I'm just too lazy tonight to look it up.] >grin<
RE: That was Yeshua’s Holy Spirit in me vainly trying to be funny. come on man…
Torah-observant Judeo-Xian crew, you’re so close. Honor your Jewish kin who obediently take up their daily cross in Messiah’s Commonwealth of Israel. The holy theocratic culture of their daily cross-bearing pilgrimage, man! The theocratic sheep fold of Messiah’s Olive Tree Ekklesia is waiting. Can the digitally-marked souls (SS#) of our Jewish kin (i.e. the self-willed goats and sheep-skin clothed wolves in Satan’s democratic Synagogue) self righteously root or engraft themselves into it—Socialistically secured and patriotically united together within the Marxist Beast’s UN Global Village?
The unceasing ‘robotic’ prayer from the ‘new wineskin’ hearts of dependent wise virgins in Messiah’s Bride is: Father Elohim, not the autonomous democratic self-will of my crucified flesh, but Your holy will be always ‘robotically’ done with me on earth, as it is theocratically done in Heaven. The heart-transplant Gospel of Ezekiel 36:25-27.
The carnal-minded prayer from the reprobate ‘old wineskin’ hearts of independent foolish virgins from Messiah’s Bride is: Lord G-d please bless the self-righteous ‘free willed’ choices autonomously made by my self-willed flesh, that I may prosper on earth and make you proud of my un-crucified Jude-Xian democratic life.
Wow, dude, I say ‘that was me trying to be funny, come on man,’ and you somehow transmogrify it into ‘Yeshua’s Holy Spirit in me vainly trying to be funny’? What’s next, you gonna quote me ordering a sandwich as ‘Thus saith the Lord, give me pastrami on rye’? My actual words were a casual jab, not some theological treatise—your remix sounds like a rejected script from a low-budget Bible movie.
Here’s the kicker: if you’re so Torah-observant, why are you putting words in my mouth like a ventriloquist with a Messiah complex? Deuteronomy 4:2 says not to add to the word, yet here you are, slapping a Holy Spirit sticker on my one-liner. Counterintuitive logic for you—if I’m supposedly so off-base, why’s your version of me sound like it’s trying harder to impress than a goat in a sheepskin tuxedo? Maybe stick to the script next time, man—mine was short, sweet, and didn’t need a divine ghostwriter.
Hey Sergio! 👊
Well, I don't know what to say!
I do think I get the "drift" of what is being stated, but the language in which it is communicated is well...... beyond me, and only contributes to somewhat of a confusion. I like simple English words, I am not into this sort of cultural modern day lango.
This I can say....."what's the deal"?
That was me trying to be funny. come on man…
Oh that is what you call it..........
It sounded pretty serious too me. And that was your voice? Are you an AI robot, or bot?
Sergio,
That was me trying to be funny. When I'm serious, I do think you know when I am. I'm just trying to show I do have a sense of humour. Maybe I should give up.
Oh by the way, I'll take a hug.......chocolates.....I'm picky.....expensive ones......okay!
Who is "Shawn".
Maybe I should just be my serious no kidding around, insecure nurd. What do you think?
I'm sorry if this offended you, I do not think your evil. seriously.....
It’s been a long day. John got me going, I overreacted. I apologize. I appreciate you Cal.
I appreciate you articulating your position very well here. I still have my disagreements, largely because I think I have a different idea of what Judaism is and where it came from than I think you do. I don't see Passover as "Jewish", and I don't think anyone would have considered it in that light until WELL after the split post-Solomon. I don't think there's anything wrong with lighting candles on Shabbat and I certainly wouldn't attack anyone for it. We've all gotta go where Abba leads us, and I haven't been led in that direction. But you have and I don't see anything wrong with that because you're obviously not one to elevate tradition to the level of instruction.
Shalom, my man!
Samuel,
I owe you an apology for not being crystal clear: Yeshua was a Jewish Jew, fully immersed in Torah, often aligned with the Pharisees’ core. My oversight—sorry. I love your gracious reply, even where we differ. You tie Passover and Judaism to a post-Solomon split. I see it from Exodus 12:14: “a statute forever.” Yeshua owns it in Luke 22:15: “I’ve earnestly desired to eat this Passover.” It’s Israel’s DNA, not a later label—my Messianic faith plants there.
Hebrew Roots as some distinct thing? That’s just man’s categorical logic slicing up what’s whole—Yeshua wasn’t that; He was Jewish through and through.
You’re cool with my Shabbat candles—thanks—and said we follow Abba’s lead. Mine honor Yeshua, not rules. He’s Pharisaic on resurrection (John 11:25, “I am the resurrection”); Paul echoes it (Acts 23:6-8). Torah’s His backbone (Matthew 5:17, “not to abolish but fulfill”), not their hypocrisy (Mark 7:8-9). Hanukkah? He’s there (John 10:22-23). Tzitzit? He wears it (Matthew 9:20). That’s why The Way’s custom-dumping—and some Christian shrugs—stings. Romans 14:5-6 grants liberty: “Be convinced in your own mind.” I am. Why ditch the root (Romans 11:18)?
We’re close, brother. You’re not shrugging—you’re wrestling.
I’d love your take on Judaism’s roots. Ephesians 4:2-3 calls for humility, bearing with each other. My candles, my prayers—they bridge me to Him, not chain me. Can we honor that Olive Tree together?
I don't have much time here because I have to go to work, but I should clarify what I meant with the Passover thing. Yes, it's in Exodus and further, it's a command from Yah...but it existed BEFORE Judaism. It would have been ridiculous for Moses or Aaron to call it Jewish, and probably would have drawn some ire from many people in other tribes. I never tied Passover to a post-Solomon split - only Judaism.
Gotta run. I hope my initial comment makes a bit more sense now.
Somewhere, Paul says, "lighten up, they don't work for you, they serve Yeshua." Or something like that. If you're walking in faith, the Lord will bless you. [I'm just too lazy tonight to look it up.] >grin<
RE: That was Yeshua’s Holy Spirit in me vainly trying to be funny. come on man…
Torah-observant Judeo-Xian crew, you’re so close. Honor your Jewish kin who obediently take up their daily cross in Messiah’s Commonwealth of Israel. The holy theocratic culture of their daily cross-bearing pilgrimage, man! The theocratic sheep fold of Messiah’s Olive Tree Ekklesia is waiting. Can the digitally-marked souls (SS#) of our Jewish kin (i.e. the self-willed goats and sheep-skin clothed wolves in Satan’s democratic Synagogue) self righteously root or engraft themselves into it—Socialistically secured and patriotically united together within the Marxist Beast’s UN Global Village?
The unceasing ‘robotic’ prayer from the ‘new wineskin’ hearts of dependent wise virgins in Messiah’s Bride is: Father Elohim, not the autonomous democratic self-will of my crucified flesh, but Your holy will be always ‘robotically’ done with me on earth, as it is theocratically done in Heaven. The heart-transplant Gospel of Ezekiel 36:25-27.
The carnal-minded prayer from the reprobate ‘old wineskin’ hearts of independent foolish virgins from Messiah’s Bride is: Lord G-d please bless the self-righteous ‘free willed’ choices autonomously made by my self-willed flesh, that I may prosper on earth and make you proud of my un-crucified Jude-Xian democratic life.
Wow, dude, I say ‘that was me trying to be funny, come on man,’ and you somehow transmogrify it into ‘Yeshua’s Holy Spirit in me vainly trying to be funny’? What’s next, you gonna quote me ordering a sandwich as ‘Thus saith the Lord, give me pastrami on rye’? My actual words were a casual jab, not some theological treatise—your remix sounds like a rejected script from a low-budget Bible movie.
Here’s the kicker: if you’re so Torah-observant, why are you putting words in my mouth like a ventriloquist with a Messiah complex? Deuteronomy 4:2 says not to add to the word, yet here you are, slapping a Holy Spirit sticker on my one-liner. Counterintuitive logic for you—if I’m supposedly so off-base, why’s your version of me sound like it’s trying harder to impress than a goat in a sheepskin tuxedo? Maybe stick to the script next time, man—mine was short, sweet, and didn’t need a divine ghostwriter.